Why Women In Metal Aren't Taken Seriously Pt. I
I feel as though I've been so focused on race issues in metal and I want to divert a bit-take a breather and focus on something else for the time being. Race stuff gets tiring sometimes right? Why not temporarily move to an even more exciting topic in metal music? Gender!
So, not only am I black but I'm also a chick *gasp* and believe it or not I have somewhat of a tiny feminist in me just waiting to be heard.
*sigh* I don't know where to begin. Let me start by saying that women in metal music have exceeded expectations and are fast on the way of being a huge marketing tool...which can be good or bad. It's just interesting how many of us (women) are so into the mentality, 'we can do it just as good as the boys', yadda yadda yet allow ourselves to come right back down and be demoted to shit like this (look at the above picture).
Now you may ask, but Black Girl Into Heavy Metal, those are just two attractive powerful women in metal bands posing for a 'prestigious' title that was granted to them. My response is fuck that. Why don't they have a sexiest men in metal issue. Why is this? Because its a male dominated, super machismo, who's balls are bigger type of music genre-lets just be honest. I would be the first to formulate a list of who I think could make the sexiest men in metal as well as have them pose in tight leather pants doused in baby oil-thats beside the point. The point is that-how can we want to be treated equal yet we still cater to that male driven bullshit theory that women are ONLY supposed to be these sexual, ethereal, nonthreatening divas? And if we are even a tad bit intimidating we scare the hell out of men. For example bands like The Agonist or Vision of Atlantis v.s bands like Otep and Darkened Nocturn Slaughtercult (Mind you, these bands all are different genres). I think generally there seems to be an appeal for a female presence in metal but many men cannot decide if they want women to sort of be these beautiful singing objects that are nice to look at but barely tolerable to listen to or if they want a tough women who can play an instrument and scream like the guys yet at the risk of their sexual appeal. Only one woman (in my opinion) has been able to be taken seriously as well as be powerful and sexy-Angela Gossow of Arch Enemy. Even with a lot of symphonic metal bands like Nightwish (Yes, I'm going to rag on Nightwish even if they have won some awards-they still aren't' taken seriously because at the end of the day when people speak of great metal bands none of them are female fronted. Sad but true) the girls are always a bit whimsical and uber soft. Mind you, I'm not saying women in 'tougher' brands of metal aren't considered beautiful but they aren't the type of women to end up in just their skimpees on the covers of these magazines because conventionally they aren't beautiful. Beautiful is demure and safe=nonthreatening.
What man is going to take a woman seriously in a plaid miniskirt and a corset with her boobs hanging out *coughInThisMomentcough* no matter how good she sounds. I just think women who are tougher that don't dress like sluts are respected a tad more than the run of the mill heavy metal chick. They might not get as much attention for obvious reasons but attention=/= reputation? I'm all for wanting to feel sexy in a hot outfit every once in a while but I think power, intimidation, maybe even fear can be extremely sexy.
I know that certain types of metal are supposed to portray a different look but I just find it interesting that the girls that do make the issue are in cookie cutter safe corporate bands that are mostly talentless. Maybe I'm just looking at it the wrong way.
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That's actually all i know for female metal bands. I'm slowly getting into metal.
For one to look into, look into SerpentCult.
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Very strange like you...
Besides, she has a bit the same musical tastes as you.
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Hildr Valkyrie
Band of Pagan metal with another beautiful blonde girl.
http://www.hildrvalkyrie.com/gallery/Fgallery1-7.jpg
If you had men pose in tight leather with body oil, all you'd get is Manowar.
Besides, these women obviously want to take their clothes off and if a man thinks you're just some groupie-creature or hell-whore, then you don't want him anyways, so why care?
Also, feminists suck, so don't let your little feminist out. Men and women are equal, so feminism is stupid. It's basically racism, because you can't choose whether or not you're born as a male or as a female.
Anyways, feel free to add me on myspace. Where in the midwest are you? Take care!
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If it's any consolation: the same week that the Sexiest Women issue was published in Revolver, Metal Edge published "Women Who Rock" which featured "women ranging from Lita Ford to Sean Yseult to Cristina Scabbia who either contributed pictures or talked about their lives and the music they make. Instead of having one of these women strike a pose for the cover, the editors at Metal Edge chose to feature a male group, P.O.D., on the cover."
I disagree with you about Nightwish, they USED to be taken seriously, and I always thought that Tarja Turunen was a very powerful operatic vocalist, but then they trumped up this bullcrap a few years ago that she was a b*tch so that they could kick her out of the band and get a non threatening pop singer to replace her, basically they're sellouts.
Astarte (black metal) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPNKCpyAYlk
Gallhammer (doom metal) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6balaHGQg38
Kittie(alternative metal - i dont like this band though)- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WcveimnxUY
Lin.
I'm always suprised when people who claim to be big defenders about women having equal opportunities in metal, and music in general, as the men, yet through around such dehumanising slurs. It's an attempt to justify (MEN'S) attitiudes towards women: well if women didn't dress like sluts/whores, we would take them more seriously; read: Men are FORCED to devalue women because of how women dress, so it's not their fault. But that's a load of crap.
People shouldn't be judged based on what clothes they choose to wear. Sure, it's near impossible not to compose some opinion about a person based on their opinion, but to go straight for the derogatives, just because the person is female and dresses sexy, is anti-female and anti-feminist. It's also ridiculous if the woman is an entertainer. If women are gendered into the beauty complex and use this to their advantage, I take my hat off to them.
Judge musicians based on the music they make, not their clothing. Fuck, Peter Steele did a nude shooot for Playgirl magazine and noone thinks less of him (save the homophobes), he's still a legend. Women deserve the same.
And why is gentleness always associated with weakness and subservience? Screeching into a microphone isn't the only means of strength and expression.
It's not about the way women dress. It's about the normalisation of belitting women for the way they dress, rather than judging their talent.
Metal is genre of music that came into being through a gradual process. There was not creation. The vast majority of bands who contibuted to the development of heavy metal as a genre were mostly male, yes, but ascribing this development of the genre to "men" as a class is false. Men as a class didn't "create" metal. A tiny portion of male humans did. I always find it irritating when people (usually smug men) like to credit men as class for creating this or inventing that, because the men who usually say this have done nothing to contribute to these great developments at all. They just get an ego boost from riding on the talent of other human who they have nothing in common with aside from a similiar biological make up.
Ah, I might do a pt. 2 just based on your post because i find it very interesting.Sorry I couldn't respond to it all. I hope you read other posts of mine to get a broader view of who
I am rather than judging me based on one post.
Welcome to the blog, anon.
- South Asian female metalhead!
I think Angela Gossow walks a fine line between being perceived as both powerful and attractive. It's done in the correct balance though. I think it's all in how she carries herself. She is confident in who she is and what she does and that comes out in spades. You can't do anything but respect her, even if you don't dig Arch Enemy. She reminds me of Lemmy from Motorhead in that respect--no bullshit, she is who she is.